I noticed that Vegas low roller and shinobi slots had some competition playing the same slots to see who has a better playback. It seems like shinobi slots has quite the lead. I think that although the locals may be able to double the buy in more often that not. It seems like vlr has gotten larger payouts on minimum bet then shinobi and makes up for the less frequent hits. What are everyone's opinion regarding this?
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MHO is .. if he was playing in a MI NA casino he'd be losing every time.
There are tight locals and there are loose locals. Most of them here in the Midwest are set at an average of 92% which is pretty good. Some NA casinos are set at 85% which is pretty tight and you will notice the difference, even in the short term.
IDK about that Gene. Been keeping track on all .01-$10 slots at the SE, and I'm coming up with a 30-40% figure. :frusty:Originally Posted by goldengreeke
Was told, but IDK if it's true that the MI NA casinos don't have to do a damn thing that's in their compacts anymore except the ones with their first compact.
My local NA is posted at 92.7 but that's a little misleading because they don't actually have to be checked, to my knowledge.
Gene, if your talking Meskwaki at Tama, they might be correct because their slots seem looser than any other NA casino that I've ever played at.
I went to win star in Oklahoma just to see if I could see a difference. Quite honestly I couldn't really tell a difference. They have so many slots there and it was difficult to gauge if Vegas is better or locals are better. At the end of the day it's a gamble and at both places the slots take your money. Lol.
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"take your money". True, but under controlled NA casinos can take it a LOT faster.
I still think that the Las Vegas locals have the best paybacks outside of the Reno area, they used to have the best in the entire USA a few years ago.
I also think the Las Vegas strip is still the worst of anywhere now, used to be better years ago.
The local NA casinos are in between, at least in my area. I have gone to them enough that I see the PAR sheets taped to the new machines when they are being installed. The PAR sheets actually have written in the payback % they are set at. At most of my locals the 1 cent and 2 cent games are either set at 90.05%, 90.60% or 91.01%. For some reason I see them at one of these three numbers- they set their dollar games at 93.07%- see it written every time. Harrah's may be the exception- they say they have an overall payback of 93% on all games, but when they have new slots I never see their paybacks written in on their PAR sheets- always blank, though I did see a tech working on a WW2 game once, and it showed it was set to a measly 86.7%- had four payback options, they chose the lowest.
Interesting topic. I play very differently at my local v Las Vegas. Honestly I think the pennies have horrible paybacks on the strip.
The one local in my area that has been good for penny players lately is Cache Creek but I think they adjusted paybacks to compete with the other locals.
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