Skill Based Gaming!!

[Evoni]

I have no idea about the design of a skill based game either. Here are my concerns.
1. Assume the base game is regular slot play and the bonus game(s) is/are skill based. The people who are good a playing a skill based game will continue to play and get much better. Those who suck will not play the game ever again. You will have a curve that increases in winning percentage as time progresses. Not what the casino wants! Seems like there would have to be some sort of cap on the bonus win.

2. Assume the game is a true skill game. Pretty much the same as above, except worse for the casino. I think there would be a cap on the winnings. But if a lot of people got really good at these games, the casino would not keep them very long. I think they have minimum percentages they are allowed to go down to, but how can one control a skill based game?? I don't see any way of even having a payback percentage figured in to a game that is a true skill based game.

Maybe you can check on these types of games during G2E!!

I don't have any concerns, since I doubt I will play a skill based game so it really doesn't effect me one way or the other. If this doesn't work for the casinos they won't order the game. Even if the casinos order them they won't predominate the casinos unless of course they pull in the young demographic to start gambling slots in the casino. If that happens and the casino sees they are making money on a new demographic they are encouraging to gamble then I guess we'll eventually see a lot of skill based casino games in the casinos where it's legal but I would think they will still have plenty of the traditional slots too as they won't want to lose any demographic they can make money from.

I agree with you that there's going to be a cap on what people can win regardless of how great their skill level is, because the math will have to take into effect that slots are a negative expectation game and skill based or not, I doubt that will change.

On number two, I don't think any slot can strictly be skill based, the skill based part in my opinion would have to be based on a game feature, bonus or perhaps a community game type thing, or a combination, but it's early days and I'm just guessing. If I notice any games that are advertising themselves as skill based I'll try to get some information on it at g2e but the design of a game at G2e can change before it actually makes its way to a casino floor for real gambling so I don't think we'll really know what they are coming out with and how they will work until they are actually on a casino floor for gamblers to try.

[priceisrite]

Don't read too much into skill based gaming. The casino isn't going to let anyone clean them out. It just means instead of a terrible bonus, if you have skill at the game you will get a slightly less crappy bonus. I don't think these games will catch on and I think the skill portion will have much less influence than ppl are anticipating.

[Free$pin]

I think this is correct. I got to be pretty good with Zuma on the computer so I play the slot because it's fun. There is a choice for one of the bonus rounds to either play the game or pick the bonus. I always play because I have some skill , but one could easily just press the screen and let the game choose. So there might be that option to either play skilled base or not. I'm sure the machine will set the limit as they do for Zuma.

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[Evoni]

Just read this today and think it explains where they are going with Skill based gaming as far as bonus games and the math for the held percentages.

http://ggbmagazine.com/issue/vol-14-.../slot-futures1

[BStu3000]

I remember, years ago, searching the MGM casino floor (no quick feat) for the Pong machine. There had been an article about it Casino Player magazine, and we made some calls to find out it was only at MGM. It was a busy day there, and the Pong machines were totally open. Finally got the big "skill based" bonus, and played really well. Still only won five dollars or so.

I imagine that's how it will be for all "skill" games.


You might be the best Space Invaders player in the universe, but you ain't gonna win a mint.