Old Aristocrat Slots--- Why??

[Penguin]

Lot of people always looking for the older Aristocrat slots. Why? longer pay time for your dollar? Lower volatility? Also what time frame do we consider for "older Aristocrat games"? 2001 to 2004? We are headed to Rincon on Wednesday and would look for some of these if I understand their appeal. We have never had much luck on Buffalo nor Pompeii, but have done good on Whitewater and Big Money Show. Thanks for the help.

Darrell

[foamy]

I think it's cause they pay off big.

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[dvandentop]

More reliable for getting some wins and real good wins possible on them without being super volatile like the new volatile slots that just go into Hoover mode and 1 person gets a huge win once in a blue moon

[dvandentop]

Any of em in the older 1999-2004 ish style cabinet are the classics Imho

[CPT]

Some of them have different paytables too. And you can play Kenny style, nuff said hehe

[Pat]

Because you can win regularly on them. Not a lot of glitz, but that's ok.

[Pat]

Here's some of my wins today from a local CA casino. This is why I play the old Aristocrats. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160322/5afe4a93c9be8fb6235b74493ed8ee4e.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160322/a8b7cae70bc00972f0bb9243dea6f1d5.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160322/d0592ef7b7c29da03edac51c7de4231d.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160322/23d6a491876be4c31e5c54130e2c148b.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160322/955eb5700fe7336e657f54fbf5320017.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160322/32b438ce721070c47c0853421c0d0445.jpg


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[treyster]

Here's my take. Slots made before 2007-8 probably had payouts set 90-94%. Many of those older slots still around are Aristocrat. Most of the old titles, it's safe to say, have never had any software updates pushed through to lower the payback. Nowadays, you can figure around 86% payback on new machines, but the minimum in NV can drop to 75%.

Also at play is volatility. Overall, many if the older slots had somewhat lower volatility than the new ones. That shiny new slot that advertises a $15K progressive scoops that money up from somewhere. Are there exceptions to the volatility on new games, sure there is. Some of the new IGT slots pay $10 for a full screen lol.

Combine the higher payback with a little less volatility and, to me, they are much more playable for someone who will sit all day playing slots at $1 or less. I've had waaay too many experiences of these newer slots eating $100 without batting an eye. The older slots, that's a much rarer occurrence. You will notice a difference between a 92% and an 86% payback at the end of the day. In short, I trust the older Aristo.

Our last trip to Vegas, I played only Aristo for 4 days with a short session on a WMS. Coincidently, I came home slightly ahead on the slots. First time in years.

[dvandentop]

Some of them have different paytables too. And you can play Kenny style, nuff said hehe

does that work for any older reel power title pretty besides like ww2 where u get skunked on free spins?

[treyster]

does that work for any older reel power title pretty besides like ww2 where u get skunked on free spins?

On WWII-No freespins, no respins. However, line hits are twice as much for the same sized bet.

[Laurie]

The line pays are so much better. I like to give the new flashy ones a try but always go back to the older Aristocrats for consistently good wins without having to chase progressives!


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[nancypants]

Does it have to be in the older cabinets or are the newer cabinets the same payback?


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[treyster]

Does it have to be in the older cabinets or are the newer cabinets the same payback?


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Can't really tell. There are newer versions of games like Pompeii, Buffalo, WWII, S&M, WOC still in production. Paybacks could be lower.

Games like Werewolf Wild, Red Baron, etc are stuck with the payouts that can't be set too low. Check the glass for a date, probably the best clue. It's what I use lol.

Last spring all the Buffalo slots here at my local Hollywood Ohio were changed to Nevada payouts to reduce volatility. They're the only Buffalo slots I've ever seen outside of NV with that payout (can't get 3x3x3x3x3 anymore. Only 1x2x2x2x3 now, excluding bonus)

[kdk]

I'm in agreement with this too. Especially love when I can find some of the rarer games that aren't around much.

I recall that a lot of these games didn't come in the lower paybacks below 90 percent anyway, so even at a tight casino, like a CET property in Vegas, these games can give some wins.

[TwoArmedBandito]

A 100x payback once in a while . A small chance at 1000x too.

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[dvandentop]

Can't really tell. There are newer versions of games like Pompeii, Buffalo, WWII, S&M, WOC still in production. Paybacks could be lower.

Games like Werewolf Wild, Red Baron, etc are stuck with the payouts that can't be set too low. Check the glass for a date, probably the best clue. It's what I use lol.

Last spring all the Buffalo slots here at my local Hollywood Ohio were changed to Nevada payouts to reduce volatility. They're the only Buffalo slots I've ever seen outside of NV with that payout (can't get 3x3x3x3x3 anymore. Only 1x2x2x2x3 now, excluding bonus)

how can you tell that layout or do you just have to quickly watch the reel strips as they spin?

[treyster]

After playing for about 2 minutes I noticed I never landed 3 buffs anymore except on R5. Didn't take long after that lol

[slotmanjack]

All our buffalos here are 1 buffalo on reel 1 which sucks. The atlantis casino in Bahamas actually changed the buffalos to 3 on reel 1. The payout possibility is a huge difference obv.

I did notice that you dont get any credits for 2 elks in that version. Thats another way to tell which version your on.

[ChellesBelles]

I agree with all the comments so far. Except for a Konami now and then, old Aristos is all I play. I don't mind the lack of glitz either, as Pat said. I'd rather have the big line hits, and the chance at huge bonuses. Being a lowly roller (.75-1.25), and playing Kenny style, DH and I have had several handys between us, as well as a bunch between $400-$900.


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[ChellesBelles]

All our buffalos here are 1 buffalo on reel 1 which sucks. The atlantis casino in Bahamas actually changed the buffalos to 3 on reel 1. The payout possibility is a huge difference obv.

I did notice that you dont get any credits for 2 elks in that version. Thats another way to tell which version your on.
I know in NV it's only 1 Buffalo on reel 1, but I think it's 2 in most other places.

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[treyster]

I did notice that you dont get any credits for 2 elks in that version. Thats another way to tell which version your on.

Actually with NV style Buffalo, you get paid for any two animals, not just two buffalo. However, if you are just playing 3 reels, you don't lol.

[dvandentop]

All our buffalos here are 1 buffalo on reel 1 which sucks. The atlantis casino in Bahamas actually changed the buffalos to 3 on reel 1. The payout possibility is a huge difference obv.

I did notice that you dont get any credits for 2 elks in that version. Thats another way to tell which version your on.

counting down the days will be hitting those up for sure was max bet $4 on em?

[slotmanjack]

Ya the timberwolf and buffalo were $4 max bet. I basically played 5 machines down there. Fu dao le, buffalo, timberwolf, china shores, and lions festival.

Have fun. We derailed this thread nicely.

More on topic older aristcrat machines on nickel denom is my number 1 choice in any casino.

[lakrhatr]

Vegas has some buffalo machines with more then 1 buffalo on reel 1 and 3 buffalo on reel 2 this at the 4 queen's in Octoberhttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/03/22/3c309abfc10ab98ebed9b211a8fce6a0.jpg

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[Georgiagambler]

How long will you be in Rincon?


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[SoCalRob]

Rincon has Pompeii, Timberwolf, Buffalo, Geisha, Sun&Moon, Red Baron, the Dragon version of Red Baron, Queen of Atlantis, Flames of Olympus, white water, money tree, the good, the bad, & the money, Big Ben, 5 dragons, Tiki Torch, Queen of the Nile, King of the Nile, Brazil, Moon Festival, just to name a few. I'm pretty sure "old aristocrat" is determined as maybe late 90s to early 2000s. Good luck at Rincon! Maybe you can meet GG!

[slotmanjack]

Only other slots I search for is original igt 25 cent denom from same time period.

cleopatra
instant winner
winning bid
money to burn
something for nothing
who dun it
jungle one forget the name.

[Penguin]

How long will you be in Rincon?


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We'll be there 2 days. Wed and Thursday this week.

[ChellesBelles]

I loved Rincon when I was there in September. I remember a big bank of old Aristos kinda opposite the Starbucks, and they were really hard to get on, and this was like Sun-Wed. For some reason I remember them attached to some random progressive (trains?), but I may be mistaken.

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[clemi]

I've no proof but agree that the older slots seem to pay back better than the new ones. By that I mean physical age.

Older games regardless of manufacturer draw me in. :)

[Georgiagambler]

We'll be there 2 days. Wed and Thursday this week.

Good luck! I will be there Friday - let me know how you like it, it will be my first time.


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[julianbeans]

I've always had good wins on older aristocrats now that I think about it.. First time I won $115.00 on a $0.40 cent bet.

[dvandentop]

I wish I could find the $1 denom more easily too but those are getting real hard to find anymore it seems for Vegas props.

[kdk]

Yeah, agree on the higher denom. Even if you can find these games on nickles can be huge. One of my biggest wins was on a nickle Whales of Cash years ago.

I agree too, Rincon has some of the best selections of the older Aristo games too- they still have all the old games I used to love there, I can't think of a game they don't still have at least one of.

Speaking of the different buffalo versions in Nevada versus other places- anyone ever notice that the Timeberwolf games are much better in Nevada than other places? It seems the paytables are better, and they don't give the stupid 3 credits when you get 2 of the men. The reason that's a big deal is how many times on the 3x reel spin during the bonus do you get one of the men, so you get 9 credits instead of a respin. In Nevada that win doesn't count, so you get the re-spin and I have had some wins because of that.

[kdk]

Vegas has some buffalo machines with more then 1 buffalo on reel 1 and 3 buffalo on reel 2 this at the 4 queen's in Octoberhttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/03/22/3c309abfc10ab98ebed9b211a8fce6a0.jpg

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Wow, I didn't know one could exist in Nevada!

[zeus]

Speaking of the different buffalo versions in Nevada versus other places- anyone ever notice that the Timeberwolf games are much better in Nevada than other places? It seems the paytables are better, and they don't give the stupid 3 credits when you get 2 of the men. The reason that's a big deal is how many times on the 3x reel spin during the bonus do you get one of the men, so you get 9 credits instead of a respin. In Nevada that win doesn't count, so you get the re-spin and I have had some wins because of that.

Now that you have mentioned this, I can say that I agree 100% with you on Timberwolf. Granted my casino exposure is not as great as many of you because of outside of Vegas I really have only played it at Cherokee and Harrah's NKC, but boy have I seen the difference.

[treyster]

Wow, I didn't know one could exist in Nevada!

I'll be down on Fremont in a couple of weeks, hope I can find it without too much cost.

Also will spend another day at Tuscany near Bally's. Tons of old Aristo still in service

[Penguin]

Hey gang, thanks for all the info. We'll be off to Rincon in a couple of hours and will try to play majority of these older machines and see how it goes.

One comment on Cleopatra. I've seen a lot of these appearing (again) but feel they don't play as well as older ones at the old Showboat in AC. Maybe they have been tweaked but haven't changed the name. Seems that this could be a trend with the manufacturers. Pompeii may fall into this also.

[ChellesBelles]

Hey gang, thanks for all the info. We'll be off to Rincon in a couple of hours and will try to play majority of these older machines and see how it goes.

One comment on Cleopatra. I've seen a lot of these appearing (again) but feel they don't play as well as older ones at the old Showboat in AC. Maybe they have been tweaked but haven't changed the name. Seems that this could be a trend with the manufacturers. Pompeii may fall into this also.
Not sure what your schedule is like, but Valley View is 4 miles from Rincon and has a great buffet. The casino was my favorite when I lived in San Diego years ago.

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[foamy]

Hey gang, thanks for all the info. We'll be off to Rincon in a couple of hours and will try to play majority of these older machines and see how it goes.

One comment on Cleopatra. I've seen a lot of these appearing (again) but feel they don't play as well as older ones at the old Showboat in AC. Maybe they have been tweaked but haven't changed the name. Seems that this could be a trend with the manufacturers. Pompeii may fall into this also.

Have fun and win.

[Brandon]

One of my favorite games is in the old cabinet, Mr. Cashman. Thankfully we have a lot of them around my area.

[dvandentop]

Good luck penguins!!

[slotmanjack]

Hey gang, thanks for all the info. We'll be off to Rincon in a couple of hours and will try to play majority of these older machines and see how it goes.

One comment on Cleopatra. I've seen a lot of these appearing (again) but feel they don't play as well as older ones at the old Showboat in AC. Maybe they have been tweaked but haven't changed the name. Seems that this could be a trend with the manufacturers. Pompeii may fall into this also.

I see some of the new fancy screen cleopatra's. I look for the old beaten up ones.

[dvandentop]

I see some of the new fancy screen cleopatra's. I look for the old beaten up ones.
The bonus reels do spin diff on the new vs old cabinet

[BigDaddy]

Not that it make a difference but I got my only HandPay on a new IGT Cabinet, Cleo I as opposed to the old style cabinets without the bells and whistles.. Same with Sun & Moon.. Not 100% sure new or old makes a difference but I do believe Aristocrat pays much nicer all together..

[ChellesBelles]

The bonus reels do spin diff on the new vs old cabinet
The new ones do have the weird "hiccup" thing. DH calls it the herky jerky, and swears it cheats him out of the bonus.

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[tee2green]

The new ones do have the weird "hiccup" thing. DH calls it the herky jerky, and swears it cheats him out of the bonus.

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Haha Michelle! Sounds like my DH who, when he was on this Mystical Unicorn kick a while back, was convinced he could stop the reels to land that 3rd bonus symbol. Thank God he wasn't one of those annoying people who bang on the screen when the unicorns roll by or he'd be a divorced man for sure.


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[Penguin]

Well first few hours is over thank God. Played lot of old Aristocrat but no real luck. Did get good play on Pelican Pete (Trey), Good,Bad and Ugly, Money Tree and Wild Red Sevens. All in all it cost us $1.50 or more per tier credit which equals out to 70% payback. Obviously no pics of wins. Only played 4 hours. Casino layout is very nice. Room is great. Give er hell tomorrow. Thursday will be 10X reward credits. Did see a lady score over 10K on WW3.

GG -- when you check in see if there are any promotional things going on.

[inaminute]

Lot of people always looking for the older Aristocrat slots. Why? longer pay time for your dollar? Lower volatility? Also what time frame do we consider for "older Aristocrat games"? 2001 to 2004? We are headed to Rincon on Wednesday and would look for some of these if I understand their appeal. We have never had much luck on Buffalo nor Pompeii, but have done good on Whitewater and Big Money Show. Thanks for the help.

Darrell

Because I have a pic of a lady next to me betting one PENNY and winning $150 on TIMBERWOLF

[Gypsy]

Well first few hours is over thank God. Played lot of old Aristocrat but no real luck. Did get good play on Pelican Pete (Trey), Good,Bad and Ugly, Money Tree and Wild Red Sevens. All in all it cost us $1.50 or more per tier credit which equals out to 70% payback. Obviously no pics of wins. Only played 4 hours. Casino layout is very nice. Room is great. Give er hell tomorrow. Thursday will be 10X reward credits. Did see a lady score over 10K on WW3.

GG -- when you check in see if there are any promotional things going on.

Give the old stinking rich a try, back by the hot dog place. I got a hand pay playing .50 x 2. Good luck!

[treyster]

I'm not sure about Pelican Pete. They have one at Wynn that's in a newish type cabinet I'm guessing is maybe 2010.

Also the one's CET had at PH and Paris had weird pay out tables.. Same line hits only paid half of the other PP at Rio and the rest of Vegas. Those PP at PH and Paris disappeared last year but Aristo may have created a lower payback model.

[Georgiagambler]

Sorry it wasn't a winning trip for you - thanks for the update. Jen Jen sent me some info about drawings on Saturday. I'm looking forward to checking out the casino and the area.


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