Special Events and Lower Payout Percentages on Machines

[seemoreroyals]

I think all of are a little paranoid and superstitious when it comes to our comings and goings at the casino. Some people claim they have the ability to hear a machine calling their name etc. In the end it is all about luck and I really do think there are some people that are just luckier than others. And then again, that could just be the paranoid gambler in me coming out.

[SoCalRob]

I think all of are a little paranoid and superstitious when it comes to our comings and goings at the casino. Some people claim they have the ability to hear a machine calling their name etc. In the end it is all about luck and I really do think there are some people that are just luckier than others. And then again, that could just be the paranoid gambler in me coming out.

I completely agree! There are a lot of people that seem to have all of the luck! If only there was a way to spread it around...

[foamy]

I completely agree! There are a lot of people that seem to have all of the luck! If only there was a way to spread it around...

I got a feeling just now you are getting a hp in Tahoe now I'm not alway's right but most of the time I am ask @Mimi

[SoCalRob]

I got a feeling just now you are getting a hp in Tahoe now I'm not alway's right but most of the time I am ask @Mimi

Here's the deal Foamy. If I get a hand pay in Tahoe, I'm gonna pay it forward and give you a hundie.

[slotbender]

DH and I were discussing this after we left the Charlie Daniels Band concert at Cactus Petes and would like other opinions on this subject. I know that is has probably been discussed before, but I can't find the threads.

When casinos have a captive audience, i.e. patrons of the events they host, does anyone think that they lower the percentage payouts of the machines? Especially, if the casino is in the middle of nowhere (Jackpot, NV) and you really don't have that many choices of where to play and they have a full house (sold out).

After our crushing defeat and we started walking around waiting for our take-out late dinner order, we really started paying attention to the people playing (their mood, body language), the machines, and credits on the monitors - no one was really winning!!! There were a few that would get credits, but the atmosphere was pretty low key - not a lot of squealing, clapping hands, or excitement. And during the whole time we were playing, NO announcement of handpays. I thought that was weird as they always announce those to get folks all excited.

Anyway, any comments or enlightenment???????

I've witnessed this myself several times at my local casino - where there is little competition for them. I've gone during their promo periods when they were having a certain amount of free play giveaways every hour (but to qualify you need to have your players card inserted in a slot machine). I don't see any winners or handpays during these times either. The majority of what I see are a bunch of grumpy slot players. Once after I realized that this seemed to be the norm during their giveaway promo's and for what else I'm about to tell you are the reasons why I stopped going to them. There is no way of telling if the picking procedure of a winner is being done fairly. There were a couple of times (during different promo events) that I would notice the same name(s) as a week or 2 before being called again. The first thing that came to my mind was, are these "ghost" (fake) names or "preferred players" (friends) being called?

[sassycat]

I don't think it's as cut and dry as that. I think there are some systems that can be changed at the drop of the hat. However, from what I've noticed at all my locals. If they want to change the percentage on the machine they have to physically do it from the machine itself which takes a lot of time and effort. So I don't think it's black and white. I think it depends on where...Again though, in my experience at events and such...no change is made.

Agree with you! I don't think they are going to go in a reprogram all or most of the machines. That takes time. I think the reason it seems like more people are losing is because there are more people.

[Darrell from WI]

Then there is the superstition that when you play with your card in the machine you're not going to win. Like your card says oh we do not want this person to win versus anonymous player has an even chance to win. Do you ever feel like this is happening to you ?


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[kdk]

Casinos don't go and re-program the machines just for those days, most of them can't or don't have the technology to do so. The only exception are the few that are fully server based, and right now only the Cosmopolitan and Aria are (and maybe a few new ones that have opened such as the SLS but I don't know on those for sure). Most other states don't even allow server based gaming yet, and even areas that do, the casino needs to overhaul their entire slot inventory which is very expensive.

At the non-server based casinos, they would have to go in and take the chips out of every slot, re-program them, then do it again just to set it back the next day. It just doesn't happen. (I can't speak for the class 2 casinos in places like Oklahoma, where they are bingo games disguised as slots, so who knows there, I have no idea).

I have won and lost myself on the drawing days, point multipliers, etc. It's still just luck.

Now in a small market like Jackpot, NV where there is little competition, its likely that most of their machines are just set really tight anyway, so it was likely there that no one was winning then, or ever. I don't think the next morning the casino would be paying out any more.

I do have a theory though on this.
one is that the casino is busier, so more people are losing- although I have also seen more big jackpots when it's really busy too. Just more people playing.

The other, is that when it is really busy, I find myself playing machines I don't normally play, or machines I don't like, or I'll stay on a machine that is losing longer rather than just moving on. This causes me to lose a lot more. At my locals I have my regular games that seem to play well, that I usually play. When it's busy sometimes I can't play any of them, and find myself on something else and play just to play something.

[kdk]

Then there is the superstition that when you play with your card in the machine you're not going to win. Like your card says oh we do not want this person to win versus anonymous player has an even chance to win. Do you ever feel like this is happening to you ?


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I used to think this, and see people pull out their cards all the time and say that it helps them win. Once I learned this would violate the casinos gaming license, I stopped worrying about it. All my jackpots have been with my card in.

[slotbender]

Casinos don't go and re-program the machines just for those days, most of them can't or don't have the technology to do so. The only exception are the few that are fully server based, and right now only the Cosmopolitan and Aria are (and maybe a few new ones that have opened such as the SLS but I don't know on those for sure). Most other states don't even allow server based gaming yet, and even areas that do, the casino needs to overhaul their entire slot inventory which is very expensive.

At the non-server based casinos, they would have to go in and take the chips out of every slot, re-program them, then do it again just to set it back the next day. It just doesn't happen. (I can't speak for the class 2 casinos in places like Oklahoma, where they are bingo games disguised as slots, so who knows there, I have no idea).

I have won and lost myself on the drawing days, point multipliers, etc. It's still just luck.

Now in a small market like Jackpot, NV where there is little competition, its likely that most of their machines are just set really tight anyway, so it was likely there that no one was winning then, or ever. I don't think the next morning the casino would be paying out any more.

I do have a theory though on this.
one is that the casino is busier, so more people are losing- although I have also seen more big jackpots when it's really busy too. Just more people playing.

The other, is that when it is really busy, I find myself playing machines I don't normally play, or machines I don't like, or I'll stay on a machine that is losing longer rather than just moving on. This causes me to lose a lot more. At my locals I have my regular games that seem to play well, that I usually play. When it's busy sometimes I can't play any of them, and find myself on something else and play just to play something.

Sorry @kdk but I am going to agree to disagree with you on one very important point. I've been following and doing research on SBG in casino's for the past 7 years or so. I have a friend that works for a big electrical contractor that was contracted to do all of the electrical wiring for a lot of these newer built casino's East of the Mississippi. As most everyone knows, nearly all of the casino's outside of Nevada and AC were built within the past 10 or 12 years. My friend had told me that when they were building these casino's that they had installed all of the appropriate wiring that's needed for a server based gaming system in every new casino that they were contracted for. Just a note: The Indian casino's were the first to have and use SBG in their casino's beginning in the late 90's because they didn't need or require any gov't approval : )